SON OF A CIA SPOOK

So United States 1960 That would be a hard one to swallow, you know, black guy with all of that. How about in Europe? Was it completely not noticeable in Europe

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who would send somebody that flamboyant because in the budget, He also bought himself mink coats made cats stick out like a sore thumb kind of thing. A lot of upper class people had, you know, communist aspirations. He didn't know who was gonna win the Cold War, and he was able to also drive through certain places where there might be a base here a base there, he was unsusceptible he Mr. naka de to Tony and that's it Russians called Black Swan. They call them chonies. Meanwhile, he's getting the information. He's doing the job. Make people disappear. You walk in, you said and you shoot them in the fucking knee. Everyone back then. Come on. They most people had fallout shelters. According to him. Waterboarding doesn't work out in North. I grew up around him too. He was having a hard time being around the kids. That's a dad didn't say to the kids. He said, Look, man, I'm having a rough day. So whatever was going on, he said, If you shoot enough kids, you'd understand.

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Jeff Sterns connected through cars, if they're big wigs, we'll have him on the show. And yes, we'll talk about cars and everything else. Here he is now. Jeff Sterns

Frank Mabry

the eighth

one of how many? Frank's that are your brothers.

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My little brothers the night my little brother's the night. My older brothers are the seven to six definitive the fourth and the third.

All Frank Mabry second on off

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Regnerus all Frank Mabry with, you know, a number behind, it was absolute how growing up, like what

was the story of I mean, you know, you and George Foreman, your dad and George Foreman, what's the story? Dad has more.

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And he's been doing it longer. The quote my dad, George Foreman, I guess, you know, picked it up to sounded great. Why not? And my dad started doing it because he was a junior. And he went to Europe, racing cars. And he'd meet you know, so in the summer, so and so the

dad had enough kids to give it a good try. And some of them very close together. Remarkable biology, literally clutch amazed how many kids you can have in a week? That is absolutely incredible. So are you in touch with all half siblings and siblings as

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strong? No. There's a lot that I do talk to you at least a couple times a year. But, you know, I mean, you have a big family, then you can pick and choose. So this

one, I don't know if it'll get us viral or, you know, get Molotov cocktails thrown in my house. But the question after I talked on the phone the other day is, when is it okay to call a black guy a spook? That's a good question. Okay. He didn't hang up. He didn't hang up on

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me, by definition is spook is somebody who puts fear into someone. Okay, so depending on where you live, and how you're brought up, and all black guys might be spooks. Or depending on where you live in, or depending on where you live and where you grew up, then all white guys might be spooks. Okay. So it's really a prospective question. But if someone truly is a spook, in a sense of, they are an agent of the government, who is whose sole purpose is designed to commit terror and they happen to be black, then you can definitely call them a spook. My dad was an interesting character, though. He were one of those lost boys who was raised by the Marine Corps. You could say he literally went to Korea at 15.

But it wasn't a family lineage, like all of us joined the Marines or what was it that you said last boy, my dad was

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like, partially raised by his grandma, his dad died at a young age his mom, you know, like, you know, he lived with her, but then he live with his grandma story is kind of wishy washy there. You know, he never got the whole story from dad. And when I met his mom, and she already had Alzheimer's, so didn't really get the story there. But from what I put together and what my siblings built together, he basically went through school during the JROTC in school, then decided, you know, school wasn't for him. There's a war coming. Might as well go join the Marine Corps, and go be a hero, right? And then at 50 now Him and His Eminence buddies, they went and joined the Marine Corps.

And how would someone pull that off? I mean, at that, in that era did Could someone that age enlist so

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in 1950 Yeah, he just forged his birth certificate, you know, God Yep, got forged supported mom's signature. Yeah, that was rap. And the record did figure out LD was and yeah, they kept him in because his mom said, okay, cool, you guys got him, take him and she signed them over as basically a ward of the Department of the Navy. So he he ended up being Korea at 15 You know, turn 16 in Korea on the march up to the chosen battle of the Chosun reservoir, bloodiest battle that Americans fought since Gettysburg. And yeah, he got his ass shot up there pretty good. He earned a Purple Heart or two in Korea. I got blown up there to spend some time as a guest of the of the Chinese Red Army. And so his prisoner, this prison group decided they believe so they all escaped after the breakout, the chosen. And yeah, after that he ended up somehow, in intelligence service a few years later, the Marine Corps sent them to school. They, you know, Adam and Adam working as a UN peacekeeping troop, you know, after the war, or after hostilities have died down. But when he was about 1819, then he met a Rear Admiral, or who, what became a Rear Admiral, he met a young captain, they said, you know, you have skills that we'd like to exercise in the intelligence field. And after that dad just got sucked into the black hole of, you know, special operations. And he did years of training, probably from 1956 1857 From 1860, then his life was just a black hole. You're going from training with these people training with those people, training with the Royal British Marines. He has all the patches I have is his, you know, all of His paraphernalia from that time period that he saved. He wasn't he wasn't a war trophy collector, like a lot of people are he said people who collect war trophies, you know, and have all this like, you know, like this all the cool war collectibles and World War Two memorabilia and this memorabilia headline was those are people who didn't get enough wine time. Those are people didn't get enough kills, he said, he said motherfuckers like that. They must have thought they they they must have thought the war was fun. The war was enjoyable. He said I was busy getting my ass shot up. And this motherfucker was back in the chow line or an aircraft carrier talking about the glory days. So there's no fucking glory days and war. He's just sitting there getting shelled by the Chinese. Then yeah, he said so no, I'm not collecting bullshit from that time period. He said I don't want to fucking think about it. So I learned that from him and but until like, until like yet until like the mid or until the early 60s That he's like kind of like a blank on the radar. He just literally went from training to training to training leave here training there trading training, you know, popped out a kid here popped out a kid there. You know, special operations guys. You can you can look this up, Jeff. These guys, these guys. They can't save their marriage proof. All right, not just a little bit marriage proof. Okay. I mean, they're gone for some undisclosed amount of time. They're not telling you where they're going when they're coming back. And then when they do get back. They're usually in a bad mood and they have a bunch of PTSD and then not pleasant to be around. So it's like it. But in 98 and 1961. Then let's see in December 1961, after he went to racecar driving school, on our taxpayers dollar, taxpayers pay for all kinds of stuff. The US government did something remarkable. They gave him a budget for operations and their operations where they were going to create a nice a nice, high return nice operational specialist to go through Europe and do clandestine work in Europe.

So it's 1960 in his cover is a European racecar driver. Yeah,

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so remember the Bill Cosby movie is by Yes. Where he's a racecar driver. Okay, so Bill Cosby, one of his best friends was Max Roach. I know Max Roach is Uncle Max. Bill Cosby got that story to be super spy from an old man. Because I grew up around Cosby I grew up around those guys. Like I never believed for 10 seconds to copy rape the damn person because I'd seen him at Thanksgiving parties. I've seen him at holiday parties. And let me tell you something. Women were on a him like flies to shit on a hot summer day lined up. I remember him vividly at like 14 walking up to my uncle saying bits just put these smelly pennies in my pocket and said candy isn't what so I can get a smelly piece of pussy or the clap Okay, that's For this gentleman right? That's what he said. So, like, I was like you're not gonna he said, I've seen 1000 of them 1000 of them what they were they suck my god I'm gonna make them famous. Yeah, real trade off the million dollar blow job. Okay, so you've got your

very strong opinion or total belief about Bill Cosby and all of that mess. I,

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you grew up around somebody and you see these human these instances and you grow up around his, you know, Malcolm X, which was his watch, read his best friends. It was Cosby max. And Peter Jennings. Peter Jennings was really, really, really, really funny guy. Really funny guy. He didn't call it because he didn't call it read in the news. He called it this is what they told me to say. Yeah, if I don't believe it, neither do you. But I still said it. I got paid. So long story short, though. Long story short, though. So Dad, Dad was one of the Pathfinders for African American Racing least according to this lovely article, lovely magazine that came out. And June of 2020.

Was it 1960? He was there as this driver with a campaign with a car. What about a $300,000? Car? What was the budget then to

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start off his racing team? They gave him about $2 million. All

honest to God in 19 in 1960, yeah.

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Okay. They fit in the race school. Okay. I remember I mean, how much how much was a brand new? Three? Well, GT? Right off the showroom floor. That was $280,000 car. So there's your 300 grand. Yeah, so a couple of engines couple, you know, you know, tires, you know, track time, fuel crew, you know, then he had a lotus open wheel. But that cigar body? Yeah. So he had reversed now that's not a couple 100 grand for a race car. You know, he had a Maserati, you know, to see for Grand Touring. That's it. That's not 100 grand. Right.

So United States 1960 That would be a hard one to swallow. You know, black guy with all of that. How about in Europe? Was it completely not noticeable in Europe? Who

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would send somebody that flamboyant? Because in the budget, He also bought himself mink coats many cats stick out like a sore thumb kind of thing look like the part and that was the whole the whole thing? Because no one's gonna think this loud black guy who's you know, he's wearing jewelry. He looks good. You know, he's hanging out with he's hanging out Brett Volvo Sally Ringling Susie Firestone. He's being a player, that lifestyle and racing cars. Was

he was he playing a European? Or did he what accent?

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I don't know that they knew is American. But who would think this American was a spy in 1960 19/63 leashing black people. They're beating the shit out in the streets there. There's, you know, you turn on the TV and, and look, they just Firehose 50 of them. It's the beginning of civil rights. And it's nasty. And it's not okay. It's the back of the bus, the back of the building the back door, the garden hose water fountain. The you are a second class citizen get used to it no matter what city you're in, in America. So him going over there and racing. No one ever batted. And I didn't know him, Fred. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He's an expert. He made some money there. He's the he's doing this. Yes. He's over here because we're civilized. So that was that was kind of the the mindset that that the intelligence services came up with?

What was the mission? Because you said inspiring terror. You know, we're talking about and you said spook inspiring terrorists. Yes. Yes.

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So so so. So so let's say, let's say somebody in a supposedly friendly government was talking to the communists, right? And they're in the upper class, right? A lot of upper class people had, you know, communist aspirations, he didn't know who was gonna win the Cold War. So people who were of influence, they might not do that anymore. Maybe this Ally has somebody that that are that are agencies find out is a turncoat or a double agent. They don't need more. So that's, that's what he did through Europe. And he was able to also drive through certain places where there might be a base here, a base there. So if there was a, you know, a micro camera on his car somewhere, no one looked, he's a racecar driver. And he's black. You know, he was able to go places and do things that no one else could do, because no one would suspect him. He was unsusceptible he Mr. naka de to Tony and that's it Russians called Black and they come chonies meanwhile, he's getting information. He's doing the job. And if that asshole was talking to Russians disappeared that week could have been the black guy. Or if that asshole could have been a black I cover not blower that agency got broken into cover not blown. Yeah. Any

idea? I mean, did he tell you or in any documentation that you found after he died or that your mom has any idea what any of the mission could be? I mean, I'm, you know, I'm picturing a James Bond movie, right. So I'm picturing microfilm and taking. So

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say, say, for instance, the Soviets had a guy in France, right. And the guy was working with NATO, because NATO was a new thing still in developing. And they had a nice, hard, nice, hard copper guy, then it was his job to go in and remove that guy. But the French couldn't know because you can't do operations on another nother country soil without telling them and everyone back then was afraid of leaks. So make people disappear. And it worked. It was successful until probably 6566, when he decided it was time to go. It was that whole, that whole the whole, the whole mystique of the black racecar driver in Europe was played out. He said, You know, they kind of got hip to the game when you'd show up in the town, and then their man would disappear. So he said how he said it was his time to end it. You know, he he did it until he did it until he wasn't able to do it anymore. And when they cut the budget, you know, he couldn't afford to be a racecar driver. Especially since it wasn't as his premier occupation. You know, he was busy shooting people.

Was he the one doing the disappearing? Yeah, he'd make it make people disappear. I did. He was like, reporting to the government that this is the guy. And now they send the assassin and he was the one.

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Yeah, he was the one who would make them disappear. He'd say, you know, you say, hey, look, you know, I do bad things to worse people who want to do worse things to good people. And that was it. And he was a firm believer in that. He said, You know, you got to believe in your country and your ideas. He said, And if somebody really, really, really was going to do something that would fuck America over. If they've been you have there's no there's no limit on what you can do where or how you're going to do it. He said, there's no there's no question about it. You know, it said that he said the best the best opening thing and an interrogation said the number one thing interrogating somebody. He said you walk in and dead serious. He said this, you walk in you said and you shoot them in the fucking knee. Like, wow, he's gotta you gotta kill him anyway. It's like, wow, that you know, but he stopped. He stopped doing racing when Vietnam started heating up. And he started doing things over there. And that's where he came up with him and two other guys came up with something called high altitude interrogation. High altitude interrogation is where apparently you take five insurgent types that you grew up in a helicopter, X amount of high. It said before you say shit, anybody? You throw the first two out there working door. You don't say shit. Just throw them right out the door. It says in the next one, you blow his head off. He said then one of the two that you know is the guy in charge is either going to talk or you hang them out the damn door and you fly him over the treetops. said Wow. Dad said Wow. Like that's he said it works. You said you're killing it for killing my guys been fucking Yeah, it's the way you grow up.

I look, I know he's trained. I know. This is how he's brought up. I'm sure you get a little bit jaded. A little bit calloused a little bit. I don't know if I could do it. I mean, I understand the logic. I don't know if I could shoot a guy in a knee or, you know, throw a guy out a helicopter. I

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don't I don't know. I don't know if I could do it either. And thank God, I never never ever hope to ever have to thank God. You know, it's not my line of work. But you know, Dad was dead was one of those cold warriors. You know, he's doing things in the middle of the 60s and the 70s. When everyone thinks that the balloons about to go up, back then intelligence services, they didn't have rules, but they have today. You always hear about all the all these crazy things from the Cold War. And they're usually true. In fact, they're almost always true. Because these guys they didn't have you know, they didn't have an option. You know, there was there was no, there was no plan B because plan B was DEFCON one. You know, everyone back then come on. They most people had fallout shelters in the 60s.

So he'd laugh at, you know waterboarding,

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according to him, waterboarding doesn't work. When waterboarding became big scandal, he said, shit doesn't work. Instead what you do is you keep the motherfucker out for about five or six days listening to loud music. It's a dying drums keep them up for about five or six days. He says he's really just you're just really get him. He said, you play something just horrible for his ass. He said, and by then they've mentally fallen apart. He said, But if you need information now, then the drugs don't always work. So and the pain doesn't always work. To depending on someone's conditioning, it depends on their the method of extraction of information. And he was a firm believer in that,

was he ever reverse role was he ever in the someone trying to extract from him. His

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fingernails grew funny and he had no teeth. Then he had a vicious good ambition. He had a vicious scar here from from what he said was water torture. That's where they strap your head to, to quote him, that's when they strap your head to a fucking board. And water continuously hits you for about a week. He said after the second day, it feels like a boulders getting your head. John

F. Kennedy, John F. Kennedy, any insights?

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My dad did have some theories on that one. And he always said the conspiracy theorists couldn't be wrong. Not a damn bit. I mean, Kennedy's brain disappeared. totally vanished. Right? Okay. US Navy Surgeon General at the time. Had the autopsy performed. Guy's brain disappeared. Yeah. Military Industrial Complex has nothing to fuck with nothing at all.

How about 911?

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So my dad was a DOD expert. And that was one of his. That was one of the things he got his expertise in as a Marine, his lies. The other line is we blow shit up and we kill people. Right? And one of his very good friends who he spent many years in the service where the guy I grew up around, actually owned the demolition company after he got the service. And he said flat out unequivocally, there's no fucking way, unquote, that buildings fall like that unless you include them. He said nothing false that perfect. It's not possible. The guy had talked to 2030 people. It was like a perfect demo. It was you fly a plane into a building that's designed to withstand all kinds of how and then all of a sudden it comes down perfectly. And then if you look at some of the I beams from 911 they were torched. Cut. They look like they did. They've been affected if they were cut with plasma. You know, and these were these were picked fresh out of the rubble right in front of you on live TV. Man on the Moon, Man in the Moon. Real bang. We sent somebody the fucking moon he went to that he went to that. He went to that whole thing with his boss when he was an intelligence agency. They they were there. He said those guys he said there was some dumb motherfuckers he said you know why? They were all white. I said why that is because you can only get a white motherfucker to go to the goddamn moon. So what that He said He said he said he did not look at this. He said this shit black people don't die from getting your ass shot up at a rocket isn't one of them. Like wow, that's okay. That's that's yeah, that's might be you know, something to think about. He's like, do you want to go somewhere? You can't fucking breathe. No, he said made by the lowest possible better. No. So move. Yeah. 100% believe it. I was always told it was real. Like and yeah, that those are some brave dumb motherfuckers when

we were on the phone the other day we were touching on the ollie North situation.

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So Ally north I grew up around him too. When I rencontre happened. Dad was Ali's supervisor you could say and dad's boss was always boss. Reagan gave them all carte blanche on make money however the fuck you need to make it like that. Just that but when they call Dad to testify in front of the Senate, then that did reverse do I know nothing? Right? You know, they said well we gotta picture you you know shaking hands with so and so. And his response was You sure that's me? Then I look at you. And in his defense then he from from 60 feet away. He had five black guys on the same obviously a uniform and he went and he said them if it was which runs me which ones me? Is that all negative look like Do you people and maybe they lost their shit? Center axon lost their shit. they'd lost their shirt. That's what you're gonna talk he said, about what? But at the same time, I grew up around that error. And in my family and I know they were they were you know they were making money to fight the Soviets and do everything else intelligence field needed. They didn't have the huge intelligence budgets they have now can

I search was your dad using Frank Mabry like what can I oh so when he's yes hearings

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if you go if you if you if you if you go if you go to Iran Contra search Phil Mabry in high school actually had a history teacher, and I guess Iran Contra was one of his his historical moments that he researched. And he's like, maybe I know your last name, do you? Yeah. Anybody who was in Iran involved in Iran Contra. Like, why are you even talking to me about this? Like, like, brisky like, they're like de facto then and he's like, your dad was in the military, right? I'm just like yeah. And dad came in did a presentation on it. Basically said, Look, we had to do something with all of our ships from Vietnam that we didn't leave there. Why not make some money? You know, Oliver North was, was it was it was he was a good human being is a good a good staff officer. He was great at paperwork. But everyone always believed that he was the head of this whole operation and you know, he really got a bad rap for that and that's that's huge if unfortunate. You know, he was the classic bag man even look like a bag man, didn't me.

So what about our most recent exit from Afghanistan? That's

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a store with a shit show. That was like, That was that was just that was an unmitigated shit show. Not only did some great US Marines lose their lives, but we destroyed a country and we wasted trillions of dollars. Okay, actually, we didn't waste it we gave it to private corporations that built ship that just got blown up again later. You know, it's kind of like it's kind of like the joke you know, the the muzzle, the muzzle motor pool, and Iraq there was that massive motor pool of of tanks and Bradley's and Hummers and, and M raps, big massive 1000s of vehicles. And then ISIS came in and took it. And then the Obama administration had a great time using drone strikes to blow it all up. There's literally burning money. But this last one, this last one was really fucked up. I have a lot of friends from college who were there. I have like growing up in the household. A lot of my friends became special operations guys, which is really funny, because they're around my dad and my dad. Yeah, they're like, Yeah, I'm doing this maybe that? Yeah, yeah. Now I'm becoming an ABC. Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah, I'll become an Army Ranger and then Army Special Forces or I'll become a Marine Raider. And so I have I have a whole cadre of friends who decided that was the path they were taking. And all of them tivity out of like, 15. Guys, I know. All of them have severe PTSD. All of them all say your dad was right. I really shouldn't have done and I mean, when you're fighting a war with with with duffel bags full of cash. I have a friend who literally his SEAL teams job was delivering money to Taliban guys not to fight your

mom. When I talked to your mom, she was talking about what your dad would say about the real price of freedom.

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Yeah. It's high. It's really high. The real price of freedom isn't just, it isn't just the guy who dies on the battlefield. It's the guy's family. It's the guy who comes home it's his family. It's living with a guy who's killed hundreds of people all right, living living with somebody with with living with somebody with severe post traumatic stress who's killed hundreds of people? That's what people don't get. When when you when you when you live?

Did your dad have post traumatic stress to

the fucking extreme? Okay,

I guess when you're telling me these stories, he almost sounds like we threw two off the helicopter.

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So he made he made that shit. And Joe, he's the guy who would go to go to the movie theater to watch the latest war movie with us. Right? And he'd be laughing Fash off. Okay. It used to have people either they they cope with it by that or they cope with it by that. To him it was funny, or it had to be funny until it wasn't So that's how he coped. Yeah, cuz dad didn't drink. I in my entire life. I never saw my father drunk. Never. absolutely fucking never. And from what I hear from some of my older siblings who are like 10 years, 15 years older than me, I didn't fucking want to. My dad did not. He kept it in as long as he can keep it in. But if it got out then jack it was, you know, it was a guy who was at the Battle of the Chosun reservoir guy who shot hundreds of people. I mean, these they were fighting waves of 10,000 It was a guy who went on operation after operation after operation after operation where there was no fucking rules besides coming home alive. That's the only rule according to that. Get home alive. Don't don't fuck around, get home. So, you know, he went and he used to tell us he starts by going to Cambodia. And how how Cambodia people don't talk about it, but it was really through one of the most fucked up place if you've ever seen. He said the Khmer Rouge killed everyone who could think okay, everyone who could fucking think teachers, doctors, lawyers, people who were literate people who had any kind of opinion about what color anything people who had half a brain in their head, got shot, or got stabbed, boiled, and then they have their fucking skulls stacked. My dad showed us pictures from his recon team. Okay, of of skulls. 10 feet high. 150 yards long. 100 yards. Okay. And, yeah, just stacks of skulls, buildings full of skulls. The community has killed millions of people. Okay, I'm Jewish. I understand. That's the data that we say holocaust. Okay. The committee rules almost did those same numbers. Alright, they were going to work and they were using a lot of weapons that were in Southeast Asia that America left and no one cared. The the press wasn't showing up to take pictures because they'd fucking kill them too. All right, no one no one wanted to rein them in because they were. They were doing their own utopia. So my dad, he had an operation there that he did tell us about him and his team went in to shoot commanders, leaders. They were they were they were given targets. And they went and they killed these motherfuckers with absolutely no mercy. But he said the most disturbing thing was and he told me this when I was about 2627. I had my I had my daughter with me and my nephew. And he was having a hard time being around the kids that the dad didn't say to the kids, he said, Look, man, I'm having a rough day. So when I was going on, he said, If you shoot enough kids, you'd understand scuze me that he said they had child soldiers with guns bigger than them. They had eyes like fucking dogs. He said All they knew is they kill your ass. Him and according to him and then him and his team hidden the pile of dead bodies for a day to shake the to shake the small army that was shaking them after they shot somebody. So if you had cold hands and you shook his hand, boy oh boy, it was bad. That was it that you see the flip the switch that eyes go and he'd know it. And there's just nothing he there's just nothing he could really do. You know, and no time when I was 15 I started dating and I started dating a Korean girl. Right? She was adopted from Korea. I thought nothing of it. I brought her home. The parents she walked in the house. He literally blew all the head gaskets not a head gasket. Like went right the fuck off. Told me to get it out of my house before I kill it. On quote she looked like somebody shot if I put him up he caught him at like, like noon with this in the middle of summer and he literally turns around and there's this Korean girl walking in his and he just screaming like a banshee. Fuck up my house. I will kill it.

So how long did you see her actually

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fucked up thing is he began he actually liked her after a while it lasts

She did. She didn't disappear immediately. Yeah. She would talk to you again.

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She did. She did. We did it until till the end of high school. Oh, so yeah. Wow. Yeah, a few years. Yeah, a few years, yeah, three or four years.

And he developed a relationship with her.

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Yes, she was a nice person. According to him, he said he just couldn't be around or when he was flashed out, because he said, Look, he told her this to her face, like later on, like, hey, look, if I don't like you, it's an I've killed a lot of people that look like you. He said, so it's second nature to me. He said, When you eat when you develop the survival instinct of seeing something and shooting it, because you know, keep you alive. He said, I don't want to do that in my house. She said, I didn't know you, all of a sudden, I turned the corner. And there's a face that I've shot. So people don't realize the cost of freedom is really high. The families pay for it.

Millions of guys like in your dad shape. So I mean, we know about the suicide rate of veterans. And now

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we know about the suicide rate. But we don't know about the impact. Like you have all these veterans groups who swear, you know, they do this and they do that, you know, they do this for the veterans, they help the veterans with this and that. My question is, to all those groups. The fuck do you do for the families? How do you help them? All right, you know, what is the, you know, the VA offers all the counseling for for all these veterans? Where's the counseling for the fucking kids who grew up with a threat? Keep on talking and I blow your motherfucking head off? Oh, I

mean, it's got to be like an allanon thing, like a wife or kids of alcohol, like, you know, rageaholic kind of idea. I mean, the whole family's. Yeah,

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but so so here's the thing. It's like, it's like you've developed this thing where you love that. My dad was the best app ever. If someone fought with me, a teacher or another parent, and I bet they got put in their place real quick, or disappeared. Hey, look, I don't know about that. But I know seriously. I know. I physically saw him growing up. I saw him beat up a teacher in fifth grade. Okay, beat up a principal in the sixth grade. Okay, tell another principal, he blow his motherfucking head right off. Go ahead call somebody and see what they'll do about it. Which is nothing. All right. And these are things I saw. And when you pull them over by the way, like back those days, you pulled them over, half pulled them over. They ran if license plate is licensed and said Do not detain assist. So the teacher did Mr. Baby assaulted me grabbed my nuts and got him by the throat and told me next time I fuck this kid be the last thing I do. But if Bob and Tom Yeah, so Mr. Mabry didn't do that. He's a senior citizen, and he's a retired military veteran. And look, there's not much we can do. So

he didn't have any consequence about beating up the teacher beating up the principal. There was no

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after a fact. No. So when we traveled, you know, like you go through airport security. Right. So he had a letter from the Department of Navy, signed by the Secretary of the Navy. He'd handled security. They did read it. They don't call somebody 510 minutes later, they write through never searching for shit. That's the way it was. No

bags going through the thing. No metal detector? No.

No. No.

Did he carry we got when he wanted to, like even getting on an airplane

when he wanted to. He didn't he wasn't a huge Gun Carrier.

He liked knives even more brutal, even more brutal. That's something I could do even less than shoot someone in the knee as staff. Or have their Bibles come

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out. A guy tried to carjack him in New York when he was about 77 Maybe 73 guy came up, you know, came up, you know ran up to the door and my dad opened the door. A guy went to play played feeble Old man, you know. Secondly, the guy like went to turn to get in the car. I grabbed him by his scruff and put a knife in his neck. I said, How about you dine on motherfucker? You wanna do that? And you know somebody called the cops and in New York the cops actually show up especially you know in like the nicer parts. So the NYPD is on point fuck with people say they're way better than Detroit police are in The other police they there's badness 50,000 of them so, you know, they kind of have the numbers but the cops got there then Yeah, dad had this guy by the by the scruff and that a knife to his neck and problem, you know, fucking move you know from I haven't killed anybody in years, I'd love to do this today. And he came home in the best mood I've seen him in years.

So because of what they see when they run his license that then they just let them go, but

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never had problems. We get pulled over when I was younger, we were traveling from Maryland to New York or whatever, you know, Dad would go to Fort Meade or go to, you know, go somewhere, wherever he was going to Aberdeen. And he trapped on 95 at like 110 120 130 You know, because he knew how to drive that fast. And did we get pulled over where they had the guy at the COP license? Cop come back. I'm sorry, sir. You must be in a hurry. I am at the end. And we wouldn't get pulled over again for the rest of the trip. And I just thought that was the normal thing as a little kid just like, Okay, it's normal. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it was it was always just a riot. You know, I mean, and I got him when he was parenting me that he was apparently much milder. You know, much milder when he was younger and according to your brothers and my brothers according to my older sisters, according to several of his friends. I mean, it's magazine article, then. Then it is in quotes, how he, he'd go collect. He go collect money for jazz musicians, you know, Max Roach, Charlie Parker, Charles, man guess they'd go play two or three, four or five nights of nightclub do nightclub shows or whatever. And the guys on the night probably saying, nigger, maybe I'll pay you later. Or maybe not at all. In New York, Frank drove a flashy handmade pimp mobiel all leather and Chrome that was supposedly a given event that's perfectly given to him for services rendered. When mobbed up club owners hesitated to pay wages on musician friends of friends have made Reese Mabry, who maybe would gather some of some of some of his body guard type, special operative type men. Go to the venue, and right yeah, break up the barn, demand drink, if no cash are forthcoming, maybe would sweep the bar clean. And it would work and it worked. And if they really got tough, then the mob that nightclub owners would find out that they weren't so tough. Maybe was the escalator thing. Hey, I'm an ex Marine. So I don't give a fuck. It's my private war. I get to fight with no fucking rules. They're fucking with my people. And I hear stories about that from from from Max Roach. And, as you know, Charles Mingus the third. So

your dad's a degree of a superhero. You literally have like a superhero of sorts and a father,