LUCKIEST JOB IN AUTOMOTIVE?!? | AUBURN CORD DUESENBERG AUTOMOBILE MUSEUM | CEO

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
are building is important to every single United States citizen in Auburn there were no less than a dozen automobile manufacturers. We have the earliest known Auburn in existence. If you can't be the biggest, it pays to be different for set up his life here in Auburn. Also the do's and burbs are going into receivership. So along comes el corte, and he knows the do's and burbz. He knows them by name he knows the racing history and in Cordes mind, he sees what if we put just like if we put front wheel drive on a passenger vehicle? What if we put a racing engine in a passenger vehicle? What would that look like? The model j wasn't built for the 1% it was built for the point 1% so we can see that with the kings and queens and Maharaja and princes and princesses, government officials, obviously movie stars and Hollywood elite. That's a problem and during the Great Depression,

Jeff Sterns 1:00
and the two cars of which Frank Lloyd Wright had won wrecked a couple of times, one not, and you have the clean Carfax 140 been

Unknown Speaker 1:11
to Emilio this year Common Core in South Bend next weekend. Massachusetts Hilton Head Greenwich, Cincinnati, Common Core Michigan for the automotive Hall of Fame.

Unknown Speaker 1:24
Jeff Sterns connected through cars, if they're bigwigs we'll have him on the show. And yes, we'll talk about cars and everything else. Here he is now. Jeff Sterns,

Jeff Sterns 1:41
Jeff Sterns connected through cars with my new friend, Brandon Anderson, we met through a number of contacts, and you're the CEO, right, Brandon. Yep, that's correct. of the Auburn chord Duesenberg Automobile Museum in Auburn, Indiana and we're not going to go into why it's in Auburn if you don't know then you probably shouldn't be watching this. But I'd really like you to open with if you don't mind brand and telling us about the museum.

Unknown Speaker 2:08
Sure, would love to tell you about the museum. And Jeff, I just want to say thanks for inviting me onto your show and being able to talk about the museum and some really interesting aspects of our history. So our museum opens July 6 of 1974. We as the Auburn corridors and Merck Automobile Museum acquired the original international headquarters in 1973, and restored it to be a museum and opened again in 1974. When we opened up, we actually originally didn't own any cars. Our major, the major thing that we wanted to do as an organization was to save the original building that was built for the Auburn automobile company that house chords and the administration for Duisenberg Inc, save it and make it a public asset as a museum. So when we opened, we had about 24 cars on loan to us, and the restored Art Deco showroom that's about 12,000 square feet of art deco lender. Now, through time, we've expanded and we've opened up the entire building, it's over 100,000 square feet. The museum owns 119 vehicles. We also own two stints and airplanes. And we are open 362 days a year to the public. And in a normal year such as 2019, we see over 45,000 visitors a year from all over the world. What's really interesting is that ahlborn automobile company and Duisenberg in CAD dealerships in 89 different countries,

Jeff Sterns 3:45
that's very interesting. I don't think everyone would know that about the international distribution. And also you look really young, you weren't actually there for the opening in 74, where

Unknown Speaker 3:55
you know, I wasn't even born then give that about 12 more years for for me, but I always say we, as being part of the museum, if if you've got you'll realize how passionate I am about the museum, and it's just kind of at my core, the museum. The building itself is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. In 2005. We were designated and then that National Historic Landmark, which means the Secretary of the Interior and the National Park Service, they have found that our building is important to every single United States citizen and part of the American story in American history. So we are one of under 50 National Historic Landmarks in Indiana. That's very interesting on its own. Yeah, and I you know, I'd like to share that we're a multi disciplinary museum because we're in the original headquarters when you come and visit you are stepping into history, we don't recreate it. So you're seeing the original marketing offices where the artistic designs were done the clay modeling studio, where Alan Lee knees are office was and he, you know, worked on his vehicles and Gordon Gehrig and El cords office in the boardroom in the showroom. You are literally stepping into history and just to kind of compliment the experience we have 1930s Music Playing throughout the museum as well.

Jeff Sterns 5:15
And what is multi disciplinary mean? Forgive me. I mean, if this was a doctor's office that might make more sense to me.

Unknown Speaker 5:21
So museums will define themselves by what say they're an art museum, a history museum, even a zoo or an aquarium. For us. We're not just an automobile museum. We're an art museum. We're a history museum. We're a science museum. We're a Technology Museum, because it's within our storied walls of that national historic landmark building where all these innovations came about and where these individuals worked and really set the automotive world on fire and set trends and did first time, innovations and designs that really, some of them including save front wheel drive with the Cordell 29 really didn't make another appearance for another 30 something years. But it was the Cordell 29 that was the first American mass produced vehicle that was available to the public to have front wheel drive. So if you want to come and admire our automobiles, they are also works of art. Gordon burisch called them rolling sculpture. You can we actually have an art center inside the museum that you can see artistic displays of all the drawings that were done. Console concept designs for hubcaps, or for for gauges, getting the claisen modeling studio,

Jeff Sterns 6:38
you'll learn about the history and the engineering. So there's really something for everybody at our museum. That sounds fabulous. I want to visit well you need to visit after this. Yes, for sure. So you're in Auburn. So I mean, that makes all the sense in the world. One of the Carolinas is Auburn.

Unknown Speaker 6:57
Yep. So we're located in Auburn, Indiana, northeast Indiana, we're about 12 miles north of Fort Wayne. It's a small town. We have under 15,000 residents. And when the Auburn automobile company was here, and even at a time there were about 5000 residents in our city. So beautiful small Midwest town, high quality of life, great things to do wonderful downtown historic architecture all over. It's really an amazing city. And some people might wonder, Well, you know why ahlborn? How did that happen? And it all started with the echart family here in Auburn that started building carriages and Mr. eckhardt. And like many companies, when the automobile became more prevalence or seeing that that was going to be the trend for the future. A lot of these carriage manufacturers tried their hand at creating automobiles, and that includes just strapping an engine onto a carriage that happened here in Auburn. in Auburn there were no less than a dozen automobile manufacturers, if you can believe it or not in our small town,

Jeff Sterns 8:03
no. And I'm from Detroit. So I'm imagining, you know, this is the epicenter, and if there's going to be a dozen manufacturers anywhere, I would never imagine that part of Indiana No.

Unknown Speaker 8:13
Well, we have an Indiana gallery that there's a big blown up map of Indiana and it highlights all the cars produced in Indiana, even some that didn't make the full production say maybe three were made. But Indiana is just right underneath Michigan, both literally and figuratively,

Unknown Speaker 8:31
in vehicle production, so Indiana has a great storied history with automobiles. So the cars continued to build those carriages and continue to think about the automobile. And then when Mr. eckhardt passed away, Charles back are his sons, Franken Morris. They took up the company and they created the Auburn automobile company in 1900. Their first vehicle was created in 1903. We have the earliest known Auburn in existence from 1904. And they continued with that company until they were they were wonderful at what they were doing and creating the cars. However, they weren't the business people that was really needed to compete with all the other vehicle manufacturers. And that's when you get into the story of what happened in the mid 1920s when the Auburn automobile company went into receivership, and was purchased by a group of investors from Chicago, which was nicknamed the Chicago game in the mid to late 1800s. Charles Eckhart he started a wagon manufacturing company, and they were excellent wagon manufacturers and they did see him and his sons saw towards the end of the 1800s that many people were going towards the automobile and like many carriage manufacturers At the time another great example from Indiana Studebaker. They transitioned from making carriages to making automobiles and rudimentary machines, you know, taking a carriage and literally strapping an engine onto it. They also some of them like Zimmerman, for example, also putting engines onto these carriages. Well, they continued manufacturing and then unfortunately, Mr. Charles Eckhart passed away, and the business was taken over by his sons, Frank and Boris. Now taking the lead of the automobile production, they actually in 1900 started the Auburn automobile company first vehicle was created and sold in 1903. However, the earliest known Auburn's still in existence is from 1904. It's a beautiful, beautiful vehicle. And you look at the reviews of those cars at the time. And some of the, you know, the sales literature, they were making a very quality car. But the brothers were not businessmen, they did a very good job producing those cars. And like a lot of these early vehicle manufacturers, it takes the business man to be able to get them to be successful, especially when you're competing with larger companies that are able to get their material at a cheaper price because they're buying such quantities. So in the early 1920s, the brothers they went into receivership with the Auburn automobile company, and it was purchased by a group of investors from Chicago. And one of them was William Wrigley, Jr, chewing gum thing. And they wanted to turn this company around. Well, they were businessmen. However, they were not automobile salesman, they were not automobile designers. That was not their specialty. So they really wanted to bring somebody on board that would turn this company around and actually make it profitable, and hopefully, you know, have future success with the company. And that's where we get into the story of eret lovin chord or as he went by e l chord. And he was brought on to the Auburn automobile company by the Chicago investors in 1924. And when he was brought on at that time, he was selling moon automobiles in Chicago. And interestingly enough, now cord was a businessman, and he was a salesman, the moon automobiles, that el Korba selling from that Chicago dealership made up 60% of all national sales of moons. So he was very successful. And he was very well known and also quite young. So he was brought on to the company. And originally the idea was that the investors would offer him a certain salary, and he would be general manager. And coord said, Well, how about this, I take a lower salary that would equal either 20% of net sales, or a certain flat amount per year, whichever one is greater, but I want to have stock options and to be able to acquire stocks. Well, that was the first move of cord becoming the Titan of transportation, and eventually, by 1926 chord owns the majority of the stocks in the Auburn automobile company, that he named himself president, and he became one of the sole owners of the Auburn automobile company. Now what did court do to make this so successful? court came in and he saw in Auburn, the vehicles that the Auburn automobile company had produced weren't selling that were basically sitting in the back lot. And he thought, what are we going to do to sell these, so he did a paint program where he painted them or had the company paints them in very flashy, bright colors and do different color trim work and actually have lines on the vehicles. And they sold like crazy. So there's back 1924 stock that's refresh for 1925 model year, this is what saved the company. So cord continued on that line. And actually it speaks to one of one of chords quotes that I find very interesting. And he said, If you can't be the biggest, it pays to be different. So he made the Auburn automobile company different and save that. Save that company. So cord was a serial entrepreneur actually started as a teenager, he would buy a Model T for say, $250 he would strip the body off of it, he would put a more streamlined sporty body on it kind of like a coupe or what we would think of a boattail Speedster, and then he would sell it for multiple times that original investment. He ended up doing that enough that after About a year or two, he acquired $10,000 just by doing those vehicles in that era. I

Jeff Sterns 15:06
mean, that's massive. Yeah, yeah. And so

Unknown Speaker 15:09
that allowed him to kind of move around a little bit and start his life, marry his first wife, and then have a couple of children as well. And then they're going to Chicago for a moon automobiles and then moving on to Auburn, for the Auburn automobile company. So core, set up his life here in Auburn, he and his wife, they built a house here. 22 Museum is located at 1600 South Wayne street, and his home here in Auburn is located at 1600 North Main Street, his home and his home still stands. So chord creative life here and he really charged the Auburn automobile company. And we think about the boattail speedsters it was under cords leadership and the hiring of these younger designers including Alan Lamy and Gordon durig that he really allowed them to express their passion, their interest in their design capabilities and create some of these very different vehicles. So is under chord that these iconic vehicles like ahlborn boattail speedsters, we'll get into the chord a 10 and 812 look Cordell 29 the Duesenberg model J. Without el chord, these things would have never happened. I can't say 100% for sure. But it wouldn't look like what it what we know as that automotive history and that legacy of those four classics. So a chord, he also decided to build his own vehicle line. And he was very interested in racing from a young age, always interested in it kind of was an amateur racer himself, who is a little bit of a racer mechanic as well. We've got a couple of photos of him riding in the mechanic seat of some of these racing vehicles. And one of the things that he saw at the Indianapolis 500 was Harry Miller's design for front wheel drive. And that inspired him to think well what if we put that into a passenger vehicle and sold that to the public? It's not only safer, it's bordier. There are many accolades that go along with front wheel drive. And so he actually hired Miller to work with him to create the front wheel drive Cordell 29. And as an automotive historians know the Cordell 29 was the first produced vehicle in America available to the public that had front wheel drive. And that is absolutely incredible. It was that foresight of court and working with Miller to bring that engineering and that technology to passenger vehicles and to create the L 29.

Jeff Sterns 17:59
Now, Brandon, forgive me is this chord yet the fastest production car because I always knew that chord at one time had fastest car in America or the world.

Unknown Speaker 18:09
They said land speed records with the Auburn, boattail Speedster at the at the salt flats. That's kind of the AB Jenkins at every plate on the speedster says you know, driven 101 100.6 miles per hour. So they set speed records, but that's over a period of time. So I don't know if it was the fastest but they set the records for you know, the the average speed got it. Okay, so the river, there were famous owners of L 29. As well, one of my favorites being Frank Lloyd Wright, he had two l 29. In the museum owns one of them. And he expressed his passion for the L 29. In a publication that was put out by chord that was called what owners are saying and in his quotes paraphrasing here, right is noted as saying that the expression and lines of the chord come closer to marvels of engineering more than anything I've ever seen. He loved his chord. And that's why he had two of them. His first one was actually in two separate accidents. So later in life, he ended up acquiring the second one, and that's the one that we own. So if you look at the advertisements from the time period to with the old 29, you see, again promoting the safety, promoting the sleekness because of the front wheel drive, the car is actually able to be lower as well. So it was lower than any other vehicles being produced at that time. So you've got that attractiveness and just that that design and you can't mistake now 29 and the different body styles that are there and of course they did with their advertising photoshoots with famous people who own those vehicles. So then we go on from the L 29. And what Kord did with Duisenberg. So Many of us know Fred and Auggie Duisenberg. And we know that they were well they started out as bicycle racers immigrating here to America. And then they got into vehicle racing. And if you look, for example at the Indianapolis 500, or what became Lamar, and you see the Duesenberg name. That time that was not a Duesenberg vehicle. It was a Duesenberg engine. So the do's and verbs were notorious for their racing engines and that that prowess that they had for that, similarly, the do's and birds were not businessmen. They were fantastic designers of their engines. They were known for their racing. They obviously had a name for themselves, but when they created the first passenger vehicle with the Duisenberg name on it, which at the time, was called the straight eight. What we now know is the model a, the first one was created and delivered to its owner Samuel Northrop castle in 1921. That vehicle is also in the collection of the museum. It was donated to us in 2019 by the castle family, they have owned that vehicle or they had to own that vehicle for 99 years, and then donated it to the Auburn core Duesenberg Automobile Museum to share it with the public and preserve the history of Duisenberg and the castle family. So the the Duesenberg brothers had a certain number that they wanted to meet, say 600, straight eights a year, well, from 1921, really to 1926. That's about how many that they made. So they obviously did not make the mark on what they were trying to sell. It was a very expensive vehicle for the time period. They were hand built. They have those Duisenberg engine. Fred Duisenberg kept working on the engines and tinkering and making them better. But that cause caused significant delays, like the castle news and bird was ordered in 1990. Mr. Castle didn't get until 1921 because they were redoing the engine or the retooling and coming up with the straight eight originally it wasn't going to be a straight eight. So at this time, also, the do's and burbz are going into receivership. So along comes el corte. And he knows the do's and burbz. He knows them by name. He knows the racing history. And in kordes mind, he sees what if we put just like if we put front wheel drive on a passenger vehicle. What if we put a racing engine in a passenger vehicle? What would that look like? So he acquires Duisenberg, automobile and motors company. And at that time they were in Indianapolis, he renames it Duisenberg Inc. he hires both Fred and RB and at that time that they had been producing a couple of prototype vehicles that are known as model x's. There were several chassis is made and bodies made and again, they were experimenting with the engines in different designs. To this day. There are only four extent model x's in the world. One of them is a boattail. speedster. Two of them are dual calcia tins, and another one is been close to Dan. The museum actually owns half of the axes in the world. We own the X boattail. speedster. And we also own one of the dual calth laitance. We right now have three on display. One of them is owned by one of our board members. And do you know who owns the fourth one? No, of course it's Jay Leno.

Jeff Sterns 23:41
Oh, of course, you know, okay. He forced me to guess at gunpoint who else right.

Unknown Speaker 23:46
So at this time, they're working on the x's and eo cord when he acquires the company says we're gonna stop working on these vehicles. I am charging you with creating the fastest and most luxurious automobile available to the public. And that's what I want you to work on. And what did they come out with to what we know as the model J. So is under cords leadership that he charged the Duisenberg brothers and even having Gordon during design the Duisenberg from Macau former and what's interesting there, there was another prototype called a model y, and it's the precursor to the J, it's the end between the x and the J. There were only a few built, they were all to be destroyed. However, one of the Duisenberg didn't destroy one of the chassis body. And now there is actually a one model Why in the world that's privately owned however it is online to the museum and you can see it when you come and visit. But when you look at that, why, you can also see the development and really what was forming to become of the model j and the body there. So the model j was created and then of course working with the different coachbuilders to put the body on it, but a model j at the time period, you're paying 70 580 $500 just for the chassis and engine alone. And then you go on top of that, and then you have to go to the, to the body manufacturers and coachbuilder and put a put a coach on it. I think the most expensive was between 20 and $22,000. In what year? That would be between 1929 and really 1936 37.

Jeff Sterns 25:33
Okay, so we're talking about million dollar equivalents

Unknown Speaker 25:36
go plus Yeah, absolutely. You know, these we kind of joke that the model j wasn't built for the 1% that was built for the point 1%. So we can see that with the kings and queens and Maharaja and princes and princesses, government officials, obviously movie stars and Hollywood elite. These were the flashiest vehicles. Well, that's a problem when during the Great Depression, when people are standing in food lines, they don't know where money is coming from. They don't know how to feed their children. And the model j is flying around. So that was one of the things that kind of hindered the company a bit from moving forward, really Auburn's cords and dues and birds were all playing off of one another to support the company and all of its sales. Unfortunately, you know, after and during the Great Depression. By 1937. The losses at the company were significant, and the decision was made to close and they closed everything. There were no pink slips. Literally the doors were shut down, and people were out of work. And that's including, you know, down in Indianapolis here in Auburn vehicle manufacturing also happened at the South Central manufacturing plant in Connersville, Indiana. So it was a layoff of 1000s of people after that cord went on to different business ventures. It was during his time with the Auburn automobile company that he started the cord Corporation. And the cord Corporation was a holding company, a subsidiary were all of the different companies that cord owned. So we have a list of over 60 companies actually have the list in front of me, but people will be amazed about what he owned. He owned American airways for example. It was under Cordes leadership that it was changed to American Airlines. He owns several actually different airline companies. He owned Stinson airplanes, which is why we have two stencils. Actually one of them is currently being restored. It was owned by the Auburn automobile company in 1930. And we have a photo when the building opened in 1930, and Stinson right there in that corner. So we're replicating that history. He had central manufacturing, as I had mentioned, New York Shipbuilding Corporation, he went into real estate, television studios, radio stations, he went into uranium mining, then railroad transport them again with the shifts that he had, he went into checker cab company and the yellow cab companies safety cab company, National Transportation Company. I mean, you kind of name it, and if it's in the transportation field cord was involved with it. So much so that when the securities exchange commission was established, in 1936, one of the first people that they were investigating was eo cord and the cord Corporation. So it was during that time that cord did sell off is over 20% of the cord Corporation at that time, walking away with about one to three was about 2.5 million at that time, but he would continue and he would move on to Beverly Hills where he actually owned a plot of land and he created a 56 room mansion that was called chord haven. And he had a cattle ranching industry and cattle ranching farm or ranch is well in Nevada that was called the circle l ranch and he was a Nevada State Senator, and he went on to do amazing things. We have photos with him of JFK chord created this amazing legacy within the transportation world. So we're looking again at Auburn's corbs Duisenberg, our physical museum building that we're in wouldn't exist if it wasn't for court. He's the one that hired the architect from Fort Wayne to design it and he's the one who built it and it was opened up in 1930. We could possibly not have the you know, well the cord 810 and 812 that I have haven't even gone into but the hidden headlights on there that were designed and the coffin nose grill that you have there on the louvers and the fuel filler cap and you know the Bendix transmission that's on the semi automatic transmission. There were so many things that cord created, or that people that worked for chord created, and he charged his employees hard. I mean, he made them work hard and do more with less. It was very lean all the time. Even for example, you know, you're creating the grandest Duesenberg model J. And then he says, We need a radiator cap for that, that shows that it's a model j, but you don't have any money to design it. And you basically have to do it with parts that we have. And that's exactly what what they did. You can tell it original Duisenberg j cap, because you can actually see the scenes where it's welded to dues and murdered onto the little holder. So again, without cord, I really think that the transportation will look so different, and God knows you and I wouldn't be sitting here and talking. We wouldn't have the Auburn core Duesenberg Automobile Museum, we wouldn't have the Auburn quarters and third club, we wouldn't have the Auburn cord Duesenberg festival. I mean, it's almost like collateral damage. When you think what would happen to veal cord wasn't what a legacy, for sure. An extreme legacy, both of his and we obviously give great respect and commend the people that work with core to there are lots of people 1000s of people behind the scenes that work to make this all happen. However, we're looking at the leadership of cord and what he did

Jeff Sterns 31:51
unbelievable, and not bad for your first day. You know, what can I tell you? Yeah, yeah, you know, amazing you, you did really well studying. So tell us a little bit about the El cord gallery.

Unknown Speaker 32:03
Yes. So you know, what the stories I'm telling you and all this history that's there, we talk about cord and the cord Corporation a bit. But we've never talked about the entire story and put it into an exhibit from beginning to end to understand cord and the cord Corporation. So we are the story tellers, and we are the keepers of that history. And who else is best poised to tell that story. And we're also very fortunate that we have a lot of El cords personal items. And a lot of his business items. We have the largest cord collection that's out there, except for maybe some of the family members that still have pieces from Mr. Kord in the family. So we decided that we are going to create a whole new gallery at the museum, we are in the final stages of design for that we received a matching grant from the state of Indiana, the Indiana destination Development Corporation, we won first place out of 40 applicants and down to four finalists for $250,000. To be able to tell this story. We are going to bring people to Auburn, northeast Indiana and Indiana to learn more about court and the gallery is going to be named the El Corte gallery of entrepreneurship. And as I mentioned cord was a serial entrepreneur from beginning to end. And in this story that we're going to weave and tell and talk about Mr. cord and the cord Corporation and other people like Lucius Manning and Harold Ames. For example, we're going to show through artifacts, images, graphics, home movies, scrapbooks, etc. The story of cord we have even one of his suits that we're going to put on display a formal suit. Then we have mentioned circle l ranch we have his cattle ranching basically outfit we're going to have that on display we have digitized the home movies have poured. So we'll have that on a projector that shows on the wall. And we're going to take the scrapbook from the family and digitize that and you'll be able to digitally flip through that. So the new gallery hopefully will open towards the first quarter of next year. Hopefully people can come out and see that it's going to be really exciting to be able to share this full story with the public. And in that gallery to we're going to focus on different types of entrepreneurs and modern entrepreneurs in northeast Indiana. And our hope is that both adults and children will be able to see themselves in those entrepreneurs and possibly become one themselves and get inspired through different industries and backgrounds. And really show what you can do if you put your mind to it and if you don't give

Jeff Sterns 34:47
up that sounds fabulous and congratulations on winning the 250,000 to get that going. And what's

Unknown Speaker 34:53
really cool about this job too and for people who love the hobby and automobiles, etc first Well, I'm the fact that I have a great perk of the job, and that I'm able to drive the vehicles. That's, you know, that's a, that's a huge thing on its own to be able to drive these Auburn's, coords, DS and burns. Packard, you know, we we own 119 different vehicles. So whenever we get a car running, I drive it. Hopefully, in time, I'll drive every car that we own. And each car has its own difference in nuance, you know, learning how to drive an 810 812 was a lot of fun. And l 29. is a lot of fun to drive. I think they're fantastic. They're also very different. But let's say for cars in your coffee, which we do every third Saturday of the month, to drive, let's say my 2020, Mini Cooper to work or my 2001 Audi. And then I will bring out a 31 ahlborn. I'll bring out like a 30. Maybe, let's say a 31 Duisburg model j, a 1963. Corvette, we did, you know, and then maybe like a 36 chord, a 10 or a 12. And I'm like, at the end of the day, just kind of reflecting and thinking, I just kind of drove automotive history, you know, all the way from the 20s. Really, through 2010. That's 100 years of automotive history. It's just, it's just really interesting to think about. So it's obviously very awesome. And we get to travel the country to we take our vehicles across the country to concours. So we've already been to Amelia this year. Too bad. We didn't meet it, Amelia. Yeah, yeah, it was great. We brought our 1948 tasco. That was a Gordon beard prototype. won the Chairman's Award for that from Bill Warner and given to us by Len St. James. We're going to Concord in South Bend. Actually, next weekend. We'll be in Massachusetts, we'll be in Hilton Head will be in with the Hilton Head Greenwich. We were at the Cincinnati Common Core. Oh, and then we'll be up in Michigan for the automotive Hall of Fame, their induction ceremony that Jay Leno is going to be inducted in the historical inductees why the museum is going to two of them are el cord and then Rosenberg. So we're bringing a Duesenberg to that to a model J. That will have on display. I'm a little jealous. I know a lot of people are like how did you get your job? I've waited

Jeff Sterns 37:28
well that on top of you know, on top of making 750,000 a year I mean, what else could you Oh yeah,

Unknown Speaker 37:34
yeah, all that nonprofit money. Yeah.

Jeff Sterns 37:39
Well, I cannot tell you Brandon, how much I appreciate you coming on and sharing with us because the people watching the show are very often car enthusiasts, not everyone that we have on is a car I mean they're all car lovers and met through the car business but I mean the majority of our audience I think is going to just eat this stuff up. And you told us so well down to the details and the dates and the names of the people and had the car 99 year and the two cars of which Frank Lloyd Wright had one wrecked a couple of times, one not and you have the clean Carfax one. So, Brandon thank you very much I really appreciate you joining the show. I know our guests are gonna have a great time watching this awesome

Unknown Speaker 38:27
well thank you again Jeff for inviting me to be part of the show and sharing a little bit of the history of the Auburn court Duisenberg Automobile Museum.

Jeff Sterns 38:34
And I mean like you know, we get a 10% discount for mentioning the show. What do they have to do

Unknown Speaker 38:38
to get Oh, you know, just let them know Brandon Cynthia will probably charge you more.

Unknown Speaker 38:46
This has been Jeff Sterns connected through cars.

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