CHIPPENDALES | REAL STORY TOLD BY THE MAN THAT WAS THERE!! VICTOR ROMAN SHARES BEHIND THE SCENES!

Speaker 1  0:00  
Matter hormones were absolutely peeking by the time we got in there and I got 3000 women screaming so loud, I can't even hear the music. So I'm standing there and I'm just like, I just hear. I'm just like, blown away. I was shot and I've just froze. Holy shit. Steve got arrested. I remember walking out of his office and slamming the door so hard, man, I thought it was gonna break 99% of them. We're all we're all. Gay one or two in the whole 10 year career. We're straight.

Speaker 2  0:31  
Jeff Sterns connected through guys, if they're big wigs, we'll have him on the show. And yes, we'll talk about cars and everything else. Here he is now, Jeff Sterns.

Jeff Sterns  0:51  
So when I was leaving for the office this morning, I asked my wife if I had any bow ties,

Speaker 1  0:56  
oh, bow ties. It's funny. I've got an old Chippendale poster. I've been my parents guest bedroom, and you can see the poster behind me there on the wall by the TV Chippendales. But my mom had put it up there years ago, and it's funny, you know, she hangs all all our kids movie stuff. So I've got my sister's movie banner right back there. That's the harvest. That was the movie with Miguel for air where they met and fell in love. And then my little sister, she's on the wall back here. She's the bikini bed. And she was one of the Diet Pepsi and 100 Girls,

Jeff Sterns  1:37  
Celebrity Family, and I was going to, you know, start with bow tie and no shirt. as embarrassing as that could be, but I couldn't find a bow tie. I couldn't find that was, if I would have thought ahead. I would have had the whole thing for you waiting for you.

Speaker 1  1:54  
Well, I'll have to find this was a YouTube video. And there was a host over in the UK. And it was really funny. He did the we went in early. We talked about Chippendale routine. And he went ahead and did it with us. And then he had the muscle body suit underneath his clothing. So why when he took off the shirt, he's got all the muscles, everything stand there with us off to send it over to you get a kick out of it. It's a really cute routine. Everybody I sent it to they're like, I never saw that. That's great. The host did a great job. So

Jeff Sterns  2:25  
what about Patrick Swayze versus Chris Farley?

Speaker 1  2:29  
One of my favorite Saturday night routines. That was really good. Surely made me laugh. We still get a kick out of that today. After all these years, you know, you see he's

Jeff Sterns  2:41  
athletic. And what are your flabby Jeff Sterns connected through cars with my good friend Victor Roman, referred by longtime friend, and Wall Street finance here? Is he right? So I've been watching and now I'm long past watching the Welcome to Chippendales show, on whichever app on the TV, and I'm talking to Izzy, and I said, I'm watching this really interesting show. And I don't really, I'm not like hung up on Chippendales dancers. But I'm really addicted to this mini series that's on about him. I knew nothing about you know, I knew nothing about the background. And is he's like, Are you kidding me? I know, an original dancer, hang on. And then he puts us on a call. And you know, amazing. So that's one of the beautiful things about doing these recordings is being able to meet some fun people. And of course, you and I have had some great private conversations. So regardless of the interview, I have a lot of admiration for you and your heart and your soul already. I think you're just a sweet guy, just the doll of a guy, you know, what you care about and what you came from to, to come to where you are now. But let's talk about how the movie or the did you see this show that I'm talking about?

Speaker 1  4:03  
Yeah, I was actually a consultant on a couple of them. And then, much to my surprise, they took some of the vignettes from the various shows that I was in. So I've got my friends and family calling me whenever those shows go up there said, Hey, I saw you on TV the other day, and I'm sure it was one of the Chippendales shows. I know. Discovery did one there was a couple of other it seems like there was two or three documentaries going around. And it was just nice to see that the one I saw on Discovery Channel actually hit the nail on the head. And it was it was the it was the whole story. And ironically think the whole story is gonna be about the Chippendale guys and all the while it was about the owner, and how scrupulous he was. And all the while I worked for this guy for 10 years and had no clue you know, he and I got into some heated battles, you know, and to think, or to find out later in 1990 I think it was 94 that he actually put a actually hired an undercover Every FBI guy to go out there and eject the Chippendale guys that left his show and went to work for a competitor. He wanted a dead.

Jeff Sterns  5:12  
I couldn't believe it, so to do to kill them to kill them,

Speaker 1  5:15  
to kill them. That's exactly right. And then of course, he was arrested and put in jail and he was looking at it. 30 year sentence. So he kind of one of the bedsheets that apparently did a Jeffrey Epstein and it was successful.

Jeff Sterns  5:30  
Well, except he really killed himself. So you worked with is it Steve Banerjee?

Speaker 1  5:35  
Yep. Steve Banerjee met him and early 80s. And a good buddy of mine had gotten a job over there. And taca wasn't even torn. I wasn't even 21 years old yet. And he, my buddy Dean had gotten a job there. And His birthday was a few months earlier than mine. And he was a host. So he says, Hey, come on down at 11 o'clock. And I'm like, What do I want to see a bunch of guys for it? He goes, No. After the show, they let all the guys in. And there's 1500 Drunk horny, crazy women in there. I said, really. So it just took one time. Of course, when you go in there, you need to get there early, because that line went up around around the block. And these guys were just dying to get in. But I'd say for that first hour or two. Before the all the guys got in there. It was a field day. It was it was it was it was a wonderful situation. These women had been sitting around for the past two hours. Not going to back in and watch the show and demand our hormones were absolutely peaking by the time we got in there. So it was one of the funnest clubs to go into at about 11 o'clock.

Jeff Sterns  6:43  
Oh my god sounds perfect. And what year would this be? 8283? Okay, early 80s. Okay. Yeah, well, yeah, early

Speaker 1  6:51  
80s. Yep. So we would go in there. And we're having a good time. And I think it was such a fun place to go. I went back there. pretty regularly, like on a Friday, Saturday night, I think it was the second or third visit in there. I ran into Steve Merritt, who was the chief choreographer, we struck up conversation.

Jeff Sterns  7:15  
Now, this is Nick Denia.

Speaker 1  7:17  
I, I think Nick was running the New York stuff at that particular time. So I knew about Nick. He was alive, and they were doing business. Steve was not happy about it. I remember being on tour and man, he'd always bitch about it. You know, it was said done and over. And you know, he I remember him saying, God damn, Nick deploy had me signed over the touring rights on a napkin, and I didn't know what I was doing, man. You know, I remember him telling me that. And I said, Well, Steve is doing all the work.

Jeff Sterns  7:51  
But he couldn't be happy that it was making money. That's what I told him. I

Speaker 1  7:54  
said, he's making all the money just doing all the work. I mean, he's actually, you know, you're making money and he's doing all the work. So I didn't understand Steve's problem. You know, I kept looking at him. I'm like, so you got some guy who's helping to build your brand who's actually bid for the show legitimately paying you not trying to steal anything, and you got to stick up your ass?

Jeff Sterns  8:20  
Very, very interesting. Now, the show that I just watched I, what was it on Hulu? I don't know. But did you see the most recent one that I'm talking about? Are you don't know. I've seen a few of them. It's like it's new in the last year. Right. So

Unknown Speaker  8:33  
what happened? Well, I

Jeff Sterns  8:34  
was gonna ask if the way they depicted what was going on with Banerjee and annoy if it was, how much artistic license and how much reality maybe not that you could read minds what was going on or what was going on in people's houses. But Banerjee his wife was by trade a CPA or an accountant right or bookkeeper. And as you know, her newer Well,

Speaker 1  8:59  
she was she was a great gal. I remember my my very first tour. You know, I remember telling you how I auditioned for Chippendales and ended up getting a spot there was probably 3000 guys have wanted the spot. And what I didn't realize is once you've got the spot, they actually put you into cuffs and collars would actually lined you up with the other guys in the club. And then the emcee read Scott would go down the line and put his hand over each of the guys head. And that applies. The guys that got the most applause would actually be considered for the tours. So not only do you have to audition to become a host bad audition again to be, you know, one of the top candidates so you know, I started doing some thinking because I you know, I barely six foot on a on a good day and I certainly wasn't you know, very muscular at the time and sure I had some dance skills but unless you were you know, six to plus with you know, 200 pounds and bulging muscles. I kept thinking myself, man, how am I gonna get these women to vote for me? Okay, and well, I noticed the early 80s, right, they would take all the ladies, Kodak is mad at cameras and they would take the cameras and throw them in a big basket. So there were no cameras allowed. So I remember being in host, and I remember hearing the women bitch about it all the time to like, kinda wish I had a photo. I wish I had this. I wish I had that. And of course, they go to the merchandise booth and it had some crappy little T shirts and some crappy little calendar with the guys. It was just crap. So I thought pictures, you know, and I started thinking about it. And I remember at one point as some gal had snuck a Polaroid camera in, and she asked me to take picture and that kind of gave me an idea. I thought, well shoot, man, I should be doing this myself. So I ditched the spandex pants. And of course, inside the club was kind of darks and nobody knew what I was wearing. It just saw black pants and I had very deep pockets and these, these pants that I swapped out for the the tight fitting spandex pants. So I did I went across the street to the store, I bought a Polaroid camera and 20 rolls of film stuff my pockets and went to town. And I'm shooting nice picture making $5 a shot. So I'm making somewhere between 750 and $1,000 a night cash just for shooting pictures. And I really was the guys were so oblivious to what I was doing. I would actually throw the camera to him have to take a picture with me. Or I would literally get them to pose in the picture because it was all fun. And they had no idea I was making bank until I went out bought a brand new Mustang convertible and I had money and things are good. And this carried on for a couple of weeks. And then I got a call from Steve Banerjee says actually the club manager David at time he says hey, banners you want you in his office. Sounds pretty important. So I go to Banerjee his office, which was right there in Santa Monica. I go walking in and he's you know, I've been there before and he says Hey, shut the door. It never asked me to shut the door. And if they that are the supposed to be important. I sit down he goes, How do you like your job? You know, of course with a Indian accent nuda How do you like your job? And I said my job's great. But love it. Man. I'm having fun. You're right, lots of fringe benefits. The women are nice to the shows great. I didn't realize how good the show was because it was choreographed from top to bottom. And here I thought it was just some cheap nightclub act. But it was my first experience to see that show Top to bottom and actually liked it. And he says, Yeah, I heard you doing better than me. And I'm like, 20 years old, and I'm looking out. Like, you aren't Chippendales.

Jeff Sterns  12:47  
You got pumpkin IV doing better than you?

Speaker 1  12:49  
Yeah. How's that possible? Yeah, was that but if I do it better than you then then you're going to screw loose, you're doing something really wrong because I can make a billion dollars of I own this thing. And he says, Yeah, I heard you're, you're snapping a lot of photos. He goes, I want you to teach the guys how to do it. And I'll give you an override. So that's kind of how our relationship kicked off. And you know, I'd given them a lot ideas for merchandise, man, you know, calendars, wrapping paper, keychains, notebooks, address books, you name it. We put that Chippendale name on everything. And pretty soon he is when he was in Spencer gifts. He was a national brand, and he started to make a lot of money. And of course, you know, he thought by giving me my own room and allowing my wife to travel on the road with me and giving me a little spiff here and there that was going to cut it and all the while I was getting around to the deal. But then again, I was traveling and seeing the world with my wife at the time, and we had our own room and you know, with 2025 other guys on the bus and not being able to get that that benefit. You know, Steven, I had a good relationship. You know, me, did he pay me all the money? I had company? Me? No. But he also provided an opportunity that most people never get. So a little bit of a trade off.

Jeff Sterns  14:08  
I mean, talk about life experience. Now. You came after? And I don't know I don't remember the guy's name from the movie. But the original partner who came up with the idea who was fiancee are married to Dorothy Stratten.

Speaker 1  14:22  
Oh, yeah, that guy that wrote. Yeah, Roger Menashe could tell you all about that because he was around during that time. But yeah, they used to bring that play me It used to come down to the the club all the time. In fact, half would sit in the front row with the girls and he would have a great time. He's in there with 1213 1400 women. And he was right at home that he really had a good time we rolled out the red carpet for for half he came with his lemmo with his beautiful girls. He'd bring you know half a dozen to a dozen with him every time.

Jeff Sterns  14:53  
Oh my god, but you are after Dorothy Stratten Yeah, I'd say that one who got killed

Speaker 1  14:59  
Yeah. Yeah, she she got killed. I remember all that happening. And yeah, I think I come on around Chippendales. They had just come out with room service, my buddy, Kevin Kerching, it started that. And Dorothy was in that video. So I came on right after that. Now, you'd

Jeff Sterns  15:14  
mentioned the calendar. Were you in the middle of the conversation are involved or a witness to all of these with the same number of days in the months? Like that whole debacle? That's in the movie?

Speaker 1  15:28  
Yeah, as a matter of fact, it was, you know, Steve, unfortunately, had so many plates spinning and any didn't really know how to delegate authority. And sure enough, man, the printer had sent over the calendars. After I talked him into spending more money in that it was take this thing to an exotic location. Because, you know, here he was shooting his calendar of Venice Beach, and it just looked mediocre. Right? It was nothing more special than the postcards. You see it down there by Venice Beach, you know, just kind of cheesy. And I kept telling you, you got to put some money in this thing. Let's go to Bali. Let's go to Tahiti. Let's go somewhere exotic. And he kept telling me no, no, no, no too expensive, too expensive. But I always accused him of being $1. You know, dollar foolish, you know, Penny Pincher dollar foolish. And sure enough, the printer came in one day with the proof. And he had handed over the proof and said, Okay, we're gonna print up a million of these things are a couple 100,000 In the first run, go ahead and sign off on it. Well, every calendar there had 3031 days. And Steve signed it. And I remember coming into his office, we were talking about purchase merchandise. One day, I had a meeting with him. And he says, oh, man, you're not gonna believe what I did. And when he told me, you know, he's like, do I thought bankruptcy? I mean, it was really so

Jeff Sterns  16:52  
don't wait, how many? So backup? How many Victor how many calendars were incorrect date, 31. Day, every month, how many?

Speaker 1  16:59  
Well, I don't know what the print shop was going to do for first round. But it was a big load. I know it was a couple 100,000 Because we were selling calendars like crazy. We had a couple of national tours couple of world tours. And we had a club in New York and a club in LA. And when the touring groups, we'd actually grab a whole stack of these things that had boxes of 100. I remember going through a box before every show. Like it was not that we always had two or three hosts walking around the audience with the merchandise guy selling calendars. So you know, when you're doing a show for it was very unusual to see any of the women walking out without a calendar. I mean, that was almost the must.

Jeff Sterns  17:38  
Okay, but when you're talking about filing bankruptcy, I'm just trying to figure out what kind of bill he's trying to avoid, like, because he was making money. And I think he

Speaker 1  17:47  
had I think he was committed, if I remember correctly, he was on the hook for like a million calendars, or a million or 2 million it was it was a lot

Jeff Sterns  17:55  
at more than $1 cost per copy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So we'd have to go back in there. Alright. So that's a bankruptcy conversation.

Speaker 1  18:04  
Yeah, yeah. I mean, these were the things that I went through with Steve over the years, you know, sometimes it was really good. And sometimes he was stressed to the nines. And I remember we went over to London, he decided to make a Broadway play out of it, they took the tip and kiss portion out of the show. So when we are here from 1919 90, and 1994, that whole typical thing come up kiss a dancer that was out of

Jeff Sterns  18:28  
Alright, tip and kiss. For those of us not in the industry. This is the chick gives you a tip, and they get a kiss, right?

Speaker 1  18:37  
It was actually five minutes, you got five minutes after your number, you're stripped down to your tea back, and you got five minutes, it was meant to cover up the stage. And they were usually 510 Deep man waving money. And you literally go around that stage like a typewriter, just snap up all the kisses. And ironically, my wife was sitting there with a heavy bag on the far side of the stage. And I would just go down the line and throw the cash go down the line and throw the cash and my wife was real smart. She goes, Hey, strippers up front with big, big bills, you know, go Beeline over there and kind of do my thing. But yeah, it was five minutes after the five minutes you had to get off. And then of course, the next dance would come up. So the guys never left the stage. But the women would come up now they got rid of all that went to Europe. And because we know why is that we had a 25 foot orchestra pit between us and the women. And we have a live orchestra in there. So it was just you know, we're in a theater, we have balconies, there's just no way to make that happen. That way, so we we didn't actually have some numbers that were the wind load actually come on stage. We still did that, like the cop number and the various numbers where we brought them up. We put them in a chair and we do the whole routine.

Jeff Sterns  19:52  
Now when you're I mean you're only I'm sure a quick you know Peck you know when you're talking about tipping kids who knows what the other guys are doing but you're one Life is there. And even if your wife wasn't there, you're married. So you want to do the right thing. Did she have any issue or do you know was all business?

Speaker 1  20:10  
My wife was so pretty five, nine, blond hair, blue eyes. I mean, she was the calendar girl, and everybody loved her. And she just had such a warm, loving personality. It was funny because she come up and do pictures. After the show, she was actually one of the photographers. So she's banging on the Polaroid film, we had four or five groups across the stage and like 10, guys, and we have multiple lines. And these women just come up there. And you know, they make a bloody fortune because they charge five English pounds for those pictures. And sometimes their exchange rate was two to one. So you know, it was it was a good moneymaker. But stamp, her name was Sandra. And she was she was incredible. And no, she didn't get jealous. And never really gave her a reason to get get jealous. You know, she's traveled with 20.

Jeff Sterns  21:00  
But she never after a show at the hotel said, you know, Victor, you could have went all easier with the you know, brought in the blue dress, you know, nothing like that. You know what

Speaker 1  21:10  
I got lucky man. And you know what? I'm far from perfect, man. I had an unbelievable wife and I, I take the blame for that marriage kind of going sideways. You know, somebody forgot to tell my limit, forget to tell me I just forgot to put it in practice. They said, Hey, if you invest five minutes a day in your marriage, you get five minutes for the marriage. And, you know, have you been divorced twice? Now I understand. It's a commitment. It's a daily commitment and takes a lot of work. And I wasn't ready. And I was a bit of a workaholic. So two marriages went south. But ironically, I'm still good friends with my ex wives. Well,

Jeff Sterns  21:49  
that's a testimony. Okay. I was definitely curious about that. Now, you never he was out in New York. So you never interacted with DeNooyer.

Speaker 1  21:57  
Now, Nick, our tour would go by there from time to time. So we'd go into the club and we'd go party with the guys. So yeah, I mean, I saw Nick. And he was always nice. I mean, he was always nice. He was a business guy. You know, it was typical New Yorker business guy. And he all the guys liked him. You know, Michael Rapp and D families and Joseph Morrow and all the guys that used to work in New York, and they never had anything bad to say about him at all. And he was wanting to organize the tours and really kind of got that part of the business going. So here I you know, I I I really had a hard time understanding why Steve had a problem with it to be quite honest, but is to save stupid mentality. You know, he he was just really jealous man. And I didn't realize how much it affected him. Until you know, I remember in 1994 when I found out about it, we were in London. Were all laying around the pool and one of the guys was reading one of those Inquirer magazine's man under like, holy, holy shit, Steve got arrested. I was I was completely oblivious, completely oblivious and this is a guy had multiple dis you know, heated discussions with over pay and, you know, getting my wife on tour and all this kind of stuff. I remember walking out of his office and slamming the door so hard, man, I thought it was gonna break. And we were just having, you know, it was a personal it was just business. But all the while I had no idea this guy would, you know, think to put

Jeff Sterns  23:37  
but he was a nutcase while they portrayed anyway on the miniseries that he was a nutcase about the recognition piece, who was the founder who was behind it? I mean, that's really what was making them crazy, right?

Speaker 1  23:50  
Yeah, he wanted to do you want it all the glory didn't want to share the spotlight he felt by Nick having I can't help it feel like he kind of figured that Nick had a hands on his purse strings, you know, that he was having to share the the fame and that didn't get overwhelmed him he wanted what it all for himself. And

Jeff Sterns  24:17  
it was important for him to be the boss.

Speaker 1  24:19  
Yeah, it all the while again, you know, here's a guy with that small thinking mentality I run into in business, you know, these guys don't see the big picture. You know, had he just kind of opened open to that. But it was his inability to think big, you know, he was stuck and think it's small. And everybody around him was thinking big and he felt like that. It's kind of like a short man complex, right? Shortest guy in the room and it was going to teach everybody a lesson, and much to his demise. Completely.

Jeff Sterns  24:53  
Yeah, obviously. And his wife was Irene.

Speaker 1  24:56  
Irene Banerjee. Yeah, yeah, she was actually really good. Really a great gal because remember when I told you when I went out on tour originally, I was going out and there were a couple of guys that were veterans. And of course, when I got out there and we went through the whole choreography, and I thought everything was fine, but I got a third stage first time I got 3000 women screaming so loud, I can't even hear the music. I'm actually standing there and I got four backup dancers dancing around me and I can't really hear anything, but of course, the dancers count the music, right? So even if the music if they can't hear it, they know where they're going, but I wasn't that trained. So I'm standing there and I'm just like, I just hear I'm just like, blown away. I was shot and I've just froze. And the guys are going by me go and start taking the clothes off. waterboy we can't do a watermelon count. I forgot my lip sync I forgot the lyrics. I forgot the beat. I forgot this. I was just

Jeff Sterns  25:51  
now what's that explained to us? What's watermelon cantaloupe?

Speaker 1  25:54  
Well, if you say watermelon, cantaloupe, watermelon cantaloupe looks like you're singing the words but you're not singing the words watermelon. Cantaloupe. Why don't you know because all the pro dancers I mean, they all came from like the Michael Jackson tour, Janet Jackson and did all the MTV stuff. They've been on camera. They knew exactly what they're doing. They made us look great. I love the back of dancers.

Jeff Sterns  26:16  
They were amazing. Was it? Were they a lot of gay guys?

Speaker 1  26:19  
I'd say they're 99% of them. Were all we're all. Gay. Yes.

Jeff Sterns  26:26  
Okay. I mean, not saying that in a judgy way. I'm just saying if they're in the dance back dance business. There's a lot of you know that. A lot of that. So

Speaker 1  26:37  
yeah, I think I think one of the backup dancers that I remember, maybe two, one or two in the whole 10 year career, were straight. And the funny thing was, some of the guys you least expected, you know, I was kind of, I hadn't really been around gay guys my whole life. And then here, I'm on a tour bus with, you know, quite a few of them. They all sat in the front of the bus, we all sat at the back of the bus. So what happens is we pull into a new town. And it's really funny. Of course, they're the first ones off the bus. They go and by the time we get to the front desk, those women were convinced, are you guys all gay? Get out. And we're like, why would you think that we started putting two together because these other guys got off the bus first. And when they got off the bus first they got the best choice of rooms, right? So they got the pick of the room. They had a gay guy they have this big thick book and no matter where we went, mind you this pre cell phones, pre internet pre all that. So we didn't know what where to go what to do when we got to town. So the guys had a gay guide. And it was probably that thick. And then at every club, dress code hours of operation Who's the manager the whole thing so but when these guys rolled in town, you know, I've asked him the you know, the lead dancers, right? I was like, What's What are you guys doing tonight? Now then just gonna sit around and watch TV or maybe go to the gym is boring. These guys had a limo pick them up. They had VIP service. They had dinner reservations, we go to the club, we had a roped off section. Sure, they're gay clubs. But I had my wife with me, right? What should I care? So my wife and I, we got the VIP treatment. And then of course, we get back the next day. And I see the guys at the show the next night. And I'm like, Hey, would you guys do last night? Oh, we went out to a club dinner. And my wife always loved going out with the gay guys. Loved it.

Jeff Sterns  28:34  
There were fun. Well, they're the most fun. No doubt about it. Oh, we are

Speaker 1  28:38  
we had a great time. So I went out with the gay guys and my wife most of the time, just because it was fun.

Jeff Sterns  28:45  
Sure, apps. Okay. Now, in the movie at the beginning, and I know you were on tour. So you may not have been exposed to this. And maybe this was too early. But they also showed that after shows a lot of these women ended up backstage like in the dressing room or whatever. And I don't need it to get graphic for this show. But you know, getting pretty graphic. No, I

Speaker 1  29:09  
will keep it G rated. They were just excited. You know, they were just excited to be around it, you know, and it was it was electric. I mean, the atmosphere was absolutely, it was funny, when I'm out there selling calendars, right, you know, pre show, you're wearing spandex pants, your cuffs and collars. And you get to calendars in your hand. And you know, I'd get out there and sell a box. And it was great because a lot of the women were so shy, you know, it's like, oh my God, I've never been to the show before. And I'm still I'm embarrassed to be here. You know, and I, I don't want to see anybody. I don't want anybody to know I'm here. But it's funny because we had a first act and the second act. So we had an intermission in between the show. And it was crazy because these women, some of the most shy women, right? You know, I'm a school teacher. I've never been to a show like this and blah blah blah Come intermission mat. She's weighing in that bra standing on top of her chairs, screaming and hollering. It transformed women. It was great. You know why? Because it was the only place in town that a whole group of women a whole theater full of women could get in there have some drinks to do whatever they wanted without any guys bothering them. You know, when when they go to a club, they try to have a good time. You know what it's like, you've probably seen somebody they get a VIP table and you got a bunch of vultures hanging around and they want to you know, and inside Chippendales anything went in whatever they wanted to do.

Speaker 2  30:47  
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